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		<title>Comment on Trusting in what isn’t real by Charissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 10:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read full version here: http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/16634</description>
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		<title>Comment on Walking with dinosaurs by David Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.reform-magazine.co.uk/index.php/2012/04/walking-with-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-4577</link>
		<dc:creator>David Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 18:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tone and content of Bob Johnson&#039;s piece does rather prove my point. One more that I didn&#039;t get in to the article, is that not swallowing everything from the &#039;intelligent design&#039; crowd does not mean that we have to abandon the idea that a loving and intentional God is behind it all. Michael Zimmerman is certainly very courteous, and has furthered the cause of faith and the usual understanding of faith and science. We should thank God for his work. It is absurd to suggest that I haven&#039;t read &#039;origin of Species&#039;. I have, and it as hard going, for the reasons mentioned in the article.

I rather think that my point about us not being the purpose of God&#039;s great work, and the need to challenge an anthropocentric view of creation somewhat chimes with the quote from Matt Franko. Evolution gives us a sense of wonder, a perspective on eternity and forces and timescales beyond our imagination.

&#039;intelligent design, to acknowledge Mike Thompson&#039;s comments, is the pursuit of perfection, in opposition to the evidence and nature of scripture: set faith up  as an aunt sally of perfection, and of course some mud will be slung.  Why particular bits are where they are, and why, due to walking upright, human beings have such trouble giving birth are questions that an insistence on immediate perfection leavers us open to. I do find my family quite wonderful and I thank God for that. It is a mystery, behind which may well be an intelligence greater than that necessary to read an Ikea instruction book.

Sit back, breathe, leave the fear of science behind. Praise God, who made it all in his way, not in ours! But if we have our eyes open, it looks as if evolution as the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tone and content of Bob Johnson&#8217;s piece does rather prove my point. One more that I didn&#8217;t get in to the article, is that not swallowing everything from the &#8216;intelligent design&#8217; crowd does not mean that we have to abandon the idea that a loving and intentional God is behind it all. Michael Zimmerman is certainly very courteous, and has furthered the cause of faith and the usual understanding of faith and science. We should thank God for his work. It is absurd to suggest that I haven&#8217;t read &#8216;origin of Species&#8217;. I have, and it as hard going, for the reasons mentioned in the article.</p>
<p>I rather think that my point about us not being the purpose of God&#8217;s great work, and the need to challenge an anthropocentric view of creation somewhat chimes with the quote from Matt Franko. Evolution gives us a sense of wonder, a perspective on eternity and forces and timescales beyond our imagination.</p>
<p>&#8216;intelligent design, to acknowledge Mike Thompson&#8217;s comments, is the pursuit of perfection, in opposition to the evidence and nature of scripture: set faith up  as an aunt sally of perfection, and of course some mud will be slung.  Why particular bits are where they are, and why, due to walking upright, human beings have such trouble giving birth are questions that an insistence on immediate perfection leavers us open to. I do find my family quite wonderful and I thank God for that. It is a mystery, behind which may well be an intelligence greater than that necessary to read an Ikea instruction book.</p>
<p>Sit back, breathe, leave the fear of science behind. Praise God, who made it all in his way, not in ours! But if we have our eyes open, it looks as if evolution as the way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Walking with dinosaurs by Mike Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr.Colman,

Are you and your family intelligently designed?

Sincerely yours in Christ,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.Colman,</p>
<p>Are you and your family intelligently designed?</p>
<p>Sincerely yours in Christ,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on Walking with dinosaurs by Matt Franko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Franko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Christianity is thereby exposed to ridicule from new atheists and others,...&quot;

Who cares? Don&#039;t let it bother you....

&quot;27 &lt;b&gt;but the stupidity of the world God chooses, that He may be disgracing the wise&lt;/b&gt;, and the weakness of the world God chooses, that He may be disgracing the strong,
28 and the ignoble and the contemptible things of the world God chooses, and that which is not, that He should be discarding that which is,
29 so that no flesh at all should be boasting in God&#039;s sight.&quot; 1 Cor 1

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Christianity is thereby exposed to ridicule from new atheists and others,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Who cares? Don&#8217;t let it bother you&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;27 <b>but the stupidity of the world God chooses, that He may be disgracing the wise</b>, and the weakness of the world God chooses, that He may be disgracing the strong,<br />
28 and the ignoble and the contemptible things of the world God chooses, and that which is not, that He should be discarding that which is,<br />
29 so that no flesh at all should be boasting in God&#8217;s sight.&#8221; 1 Cor 1</p>
<p>Resp,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Walking with dinosaurs by bob johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.  How dense are you?  Intelligent Design is self-evident. All cells in all species are alive because of encoded information. All information has an intelligent source, much less ENCODED INFORMATION. 

Darwin had a &quot;brilliant scientific mind&quot;? Not a shred of evidence for molecules-to-man evolution in any of his books. That&#039;s how I can tell you haven&#039;t read Origin. Darwin was an atheist circular logician, nothing more.

Pick one species, and identify with evidence, the species from which it allegedly evolved.  I&#039;ll be waiting for your reply.

May God give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the realization of Him, the eyes of your heart having been enlightened (Ephesians 1:18).


Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr.  

PS: Your pal, Zimmerman, is an atheist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  How dense are you?  Intelligent Design is self-evident. All cells in all species are alive because of encoded information. All information has an intelligent source, much less ENCODED INFORMATION. </p>
<p>Darwin had a &#8220;brilliant scientific mind&#8221;? Not a shred of evidence for molecules-to-man evolution in any of his books. That&#8217;s how I can tell you haven&#8217;t read Origin. Darwin was an atheist circular logician, nothing more.</p>
<p>Pick one species, and identify with evidence, the species from which it allegedly evolved.  I&#8217;ll be waiting for your reply.</p>
<p>May God give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the realization of Him, the eyes of your heart having been enlightened (Ephesians 1:18).</p>
<p>Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr.  </p>
<p>PS: Your pal, Zimmerman, is an atheist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Lennox interview: The Good News fits with science by RS</title>
		<link>http://www.reform-magazine.co.uk/index.php/2012/03/john-lennox-interview-the-good-news-fits-with-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4229</link>
		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ajollynerd
(Lennox’s title’s at least Prof. I don’t know what you intend by calling him &quot;Mr.&quot;)

Anyway, to the main content of this reply:

One doesn’t see many modern Atheists skeptical about their own overall Worldview --- I’m not talking about skepticism of details within that view --- which almost everyone is regardless of their worldview --- but an overall skepticism of taking the whole thing on. (Thankfully, I have noticed significant exceptions to this case.)

In Prof. Lennox’s case I don’t think what you say holds water. Based on his own biography, which he mentions almost every time he speaks, Lennox HAD indeed done this: he did seriously and objectively look at other Worldviews, including what had out of Europe and Russia appeared, at least during his upbringing. This actually contradicts both your remark about prejudice, and your genetic fallacy.

I can safely say that this is not the case even in general among academics.

A classic example is Clive S. Lewis. He DID after already having been a Christian, take some time out to go back and seriously consider the other worldviews he had, in accepting Christianity, rejected, to see for himself, whether he could on good ground reject these views. He remained a convinced believer. The point is, serious reconsideration is not beyond a Christian.

Counterexamples aside, l can take a good guess at why Lennox would reject at least other religious-systems. Loosely it would be the uniqueness of Jesus as the most authentic revelation of God, and the unique greatness of what he did in addressing humankind’s existential issues through Jesus’ life suffering and death, and the concrete hope he offers founded upon the fact of the resurrection. But that’s another story. You don’t have to accept these claims, but if God exists, this would be the most viable Option. As Lennox says: Jesus and what he did deals uniquely tangibly with the core problem we have, namely our alienation from God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ajollynerd<br />
(Lennox’s title’s at least Prof. I don’t know what you intend by calling him &#8220;Mr.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Anyway, to the main content of this reply:</p>
<p>One doesn’t see many modern Atheists skeptical about their own overall Worldview &#8212; I’m not talking about skepticism of details within that view &#8212; which almost everyone is regardless of their worldview &#8212; but an overall skepticism of taking the whole thing on. (Thankfully, I have noticed significant exceptions to this case.)</p>
<p>In Prof. Lennox’s case I don’t think what you say holds water. Based on his own biography, which he mentions almost every time he speaks, Lennox HAD indeed done this: he did seriously and objectively look at other Worldviews, including what had out of Europe and Russia appeared, at least during his upbringing. This actually contradicts both your remark about prejudice, and your genetic fallacy.</p>
<p>I can safely say that this is not the case even in general among academics.</p>
<p>A classic example is Clive S. Lewis. He DID after already having been a Christian, take some time out to go back and seriously consider the other worldviews he had, in accepting Christianity, rejected, to see for himself, whether he could on good ground reject these views. He remained a convinced believer. The point is, serious reconsideration is not beyond a Christian.</p>
<p>Counterexamples aside, l can take a good guess at why Lennox would reject at least other religious-systems. Loosely it would be the uniqueness of Jesus as the most authentic revelation of God, and the unique greatness of what he did in addressing humankind’s existential issues through Jesus’ life suffering and death, and the concrete hope he offers founded upon the fact of the resurrection. But that’s another story. You don’t have to accept these claims, but if God exists, this would be the most viable Option. As Lennox says: Jesus and what he did deals uniquely tangibly with the core problem we have, namely our alienation from God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Lennox interview: The Good News fits with science by ajollynerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajollynerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;John Lennox&quot;&gt;&quot;By constantly asking myself questions and &lt;em&gt;exposing my faith in God to these alternative views&lt;/em&gt;, the effect of it was, over the years, to strengthen my faith in God. &lt;em&gt;Christianity in the end was by far the best explanatory fit at that level.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The thing about this is that, if I&#039;m reading this correctly, he began his enquiry with a prejudice. He already held a christian worldview, and looked at other belief systems through the lens of christianity. Considering the fact that many non-christian worldviews are primitive by comparison, and in many cases even harder to justify, it comes as no surprise that he would deem his pre-existing worldview superior (not to mention the inherent tendency of people to act as if they were right to begin with).

What he fails to consider is the possibility that christianity is simply the end product of an almost Darwinian evolution of religion. Many of the alternative worldviews are simply older, and you can trace the path from pre-religious fear of nature through pantheism to the Judeo-Christian monotheism that he enjoys today.

The point of being a skeptic is to step outside of one&#039;s own preconceived notions and look at the bigger picture. Mr. Lennox, in simply standing other views beside his own affirmed beliefs, failed to do so. All he has shown is that he prefers christianity, like the person who grew up a beer drinker. Sure, he&#039;s tried wine and spirits. He&#039;s even mixed a few cocktails. He just likes beer better. That&#039;s fine, but he can&#039;t hope to take that position and turn it into a logical proposition that beer is objectively better than other drinks. It simply doesn&#039;t follow.

(tl;dr: you can&#039;t logically propose &quot;I like a certain worldview, therefore it must be true for everyone.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="John Lennox"><p>&#8220;By constantly asking myself questions and <em>exposing my faith in God to these alternative views</em>, the effect of it was, over the years, to strengthen my faith in God. <em>Christianity in the end was by far the best explanatory fit at that level.</em>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>The thing about this is that, if I&#8217;m reading this correctly, he began his enquiry with a prejudice. He already held a christian worldview, and looked at other belief systems through the lens of christianity. Considering the fact that many non-christian worldviews are primitive by comparison, and in many cases even harder to justify, it comes as no surprise that he would deem his pre-existing worldview superior (not to mention the inherent tendency of people to act as if they were right to begin with).</p>
<p>What he fails to consider is the possibility that christianity is simply the end product of an almost Darwinian evolution of religion. Many of the alternative worldviews are simply older, and you can trace the path from pre-religious fear of nature through pantheism to the Judeo-Christian monotheism that he enjoys today.</p>
<p>The point of being a skeptic is to step outside of one&#8217;s own preconceived notions and look at the bigger picture. Mr. Lennox, in simply standing other views beside his own affirmed beliefs, failed to do so. All he has shown is that he prefers christianity, like the person who grew up a beer drinker. Sure, he&#8217;s tried wine and spirits. He&#8217;s even mixed a few cocktails. He just likes beer better. That&#8217;s fine, but he can&#8217;t hope to take that position and turn it into a logical proposition that beer is objectively better than other drinks. It simply doesn&#8217;t follow.</p>
<p>(tl;dr: you can&#8217;t logically propose &#8220;I like a certain worldview, therefore it must be true for everyone.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Lennox interview: The Good News fits with science by Jacqueline Swafford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqueline Swafford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic blog.Thanks Again. Want more.</description>
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		<title>Comment on John Lennox interview: The Good News fits with science by ApologiaNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.reform-magazine.co.uk/index.php/2012/03/john-lennox-interview-the-good-news-fits-with-science/comment-page-1/#comment-3915</link>
		<dc:creator>ApologiaNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great interview.  Lennox is a huge blessing to the church.  Please pass on that baton to the next generation !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview.  Lennox is a huge blessing to the church.  Please pass on that baton to the next generation !!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dying to live by SteveN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders what drives this article? I think the financial crisis pays a large part of the problem. It would be lovely if loads of churches agreed to close down the buildings and sell them off this would help, if not solve, the crisis. How many struggling congregations (small and elderly and with not much energy) have no spark of hope? Are there more who do have hope and it would be unwise to close them down? How many churches just maintain and little more? It might be wise to do an audit Synod by Synod but in the URC only the individual church make that painful decision to give up in a particular area and get of the building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders what drives this article? I think the financial crisis pays a large part of the problem. It would be lovely if loads of churches agreed to close down the buildings and sell them off this would help, if not solve, the crisis. How many struggling congregations (small and elderly and with not much energy) have no spark of hope? Are there more who do have hope and it would be unwise to close them down? How many churches just maintain and little more? It might be wise to do an audit Synod by Synod but in the URC only the individual church make that painful decision to give up in a particular area and get of the building.</p>
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